Immortal Beloved - ****
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lauerzФильм про Бетховена, и про его многочисленных возлюбленных. (Никогда ничего про это не знала, теперь вот знаю).
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Хороший фильм. Мораль басни - человек влюбчивый и легкий на подъем задает потомкам загадки, которые невозможно отгадать. В фильме вроде бы отгадали, но в жизни, вот пишут - нет.
Romantic difficultiesThe women who attracted Beethoven were unattainable because they were either married or aristocratic. Beethoven never married, although he was engaged to Giulietta Guiccardi. Her father was the main obstacle to their marriage. Giulietta's marriage to a nobleman was unhappy, and when it ended in 1822, she attempted unsuccessfully to return to Beethoven. His only other documented love affair with an identified woman began in 1805 with Josephine von Brunswick, young widow of the Graf von Deym. It is believed the relationship ended by 1807 because of Beethoven's indecisiveness and the disapproval of Josephine's aristocratic family.[18]
In 1812, Beethoven wrote a long love letter to a woman he identified only as "Immortal Beloved". Several candidates have been suggested, including Antonie Brentano, but the identity of the woman to whom the letter was written has never been proven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven
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Актеры - очень хороша Изабелла Росселини, а вот Гари Олдман что-то мне не очень понравился. Девушка, которая играет immortal beloved, тоже ничего, но слишком редко ее показывают.
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Нейробиологически интересные обстоятельства:
Оказывается Беховен всю жизнь был глухим, примерно с двадцати лет (или с 20+), что не мешало ему опять же всю жизнь писать великую музыку (как??? держал ее в голове???? весь этот оркестр???). Я-то думала, он стал глухим только к старости...
Оказывается, у Бетховена был bipolar disorder... как это печально, и как жалко его и окружающих.
Character
Beethoven's personal life was troubled. His encroaching deafness led him to contemplate suicide (documented in his Heiligenstadt Testament). Beethoven was often irascible, and may have suffered from bipolar disorder,[14] and irritability brought on by chronic abdominal pain beginning in his 20s which has been attributed to his lead poisoning.[15] He nevertheless had a close and devoted circle of friends all his life, thought to have been attracted by his reputed strength of personality. Towards the end of his life, Beethoven's friends competed in their efforts to help him cope with his incapacities.[16]
Sources show Beethoven's disdain for authority, and for social rank. He stopped performing at the piano if the audience chatted among themselves, or afforded him less than their full attention. At soirées, he refused to perform if suddenly called upon to do so. Eventually, after many confrontations, the Archduke Rudolph decreed that the usual rules of court etiquette did not apply to Beethoven.
The women who attracted Beethoven were unattainable because they were either married or aristocratic. Beethoven never married, although he was engaged to Giulietta Guiccardi. Her father was the main obstacle to their marriage. Giulietta's marriage to a nobleman was unhappy, and when it ended in 1822, she attempted unsuccessfully to return to Beethoven. His only other documented love affair with an identified woman began in 1805 with Josephine von Brunswick, young widow of the Graf von Deym. It is believed the relationship ended by 1807 because of Beethoven's indecisiveness and the disapproval of Josephine's aristocratic family.[18]
In 1812, Beethoven wrote a long love letter to a woman he identified only as "Immortal Beloved". Several candidates have been suggested, including Antonie Brentano, but the identity of the woman to whom the letter was written has never been proven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven
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Актеры - очень хороша Изабелла Росселини, а вот Гари Олдман что-то мне не очень понравился. Девушка, которая играет immortal beloved, тоже ничего, но слишком редко ее показывают.
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Нейробиологически интересные обстоятельства:
Оказывается Беховен всю жизнь был глухим, примерно с двадцати лет (или с 20+), что не мешало ему опять же всю жизнь писать великую музыку (как??? держал ее в голове???? весь этот оркестр???). Я-то думала, он стал глухим только к старости...
Оказывается, у Бетховена был bipolar disorder... как это печально, и как жалко его и окружающих.
Character
Beethoven's personal life was troubled. His encroaching deafness led him to contemplate suicide (documented in his Heiligenstadt Testament). Beethoven was often irascible, and may have suffered from bipolar disorder,[14] and irritability brought on by chronic abdominal pain beginning in his 20s which has been attributed to his lead poisoning.[15] He nevertheless had a close and devoted circle of friends all his life, thought to have been attracted by his reputed strength of personality. Towards the end of his life, Beethoven's friends competed in their efforts to help him cope with his incapacities.[16]
Sources show Beethoven's disdain for authority, and for social rank. He stopped performing at the piano if the audience chatted among themselves, or afforded him less than their full attention. At soirées, he refused to perform if suddenly called upon to do so. Eventually, after many confrontations, the Archduke Rudolph decreed that the usual rules of court etiquette did not apply to Beethoven.
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Date: 2008-07-11 01:09 pm (UTC)*
А Вы фильм видели? Фильм сам по себе очень средний (как произведение кинематографического искусства), но присутствие там Бетховена как-то меняет дело (даже против законов кинематографа).
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Date: 2008-07-12 01:02 am (UTC)Да.. и еще - может быть, кому-нибудь это поможет, читая "разбор", лучше понять проявления биполярной болезни (если она была). Читал биографию Вуди Гатри, довольно интересную, и хотя она не была посвящена его болезни (хорея Гентингтона; тут проблем с диагностикой почти не было), по ходу повествования видно, как она все сильнее проступает.
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Date: 2008-07-12 01:21 am (UTC)Нет, как-то не довелось..
\\Ну, по-моему, этот канадский психиатр прилагал адекватные усилия, чтобы выяснить чем Бетховен болел.\\
Так выпьем же за то, чтобы все психиатры прилагали адекватные усилия при диагностике. (0:
Я просто хотел предостеречь от скорой веры в диагнозы, не хотел ввязываться в спор..
Биполярное расстройство, кажется, довольно "модное" в настоящий период. Вот даже в прессе пишут, что у Бога диагностировали биполярное расстройство:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28484
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